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On Creating A Magazine “Well Worth Holding In Your Hands”: The Mr. Magazine™ Interview with Steve and Debbee Pezman, Founders of The Surfer’s Journal

March 2, 2011

Would you believe it if someone told you that 20 years ago, a new magazine was launched with a cover price of $12.95. Yes, you’ve read that right: almost $13 for a single issue. The cost of this one issue was more than what other magazines sold their annual subscriptions in those days (and sadly for the majority of magazines, in these days too).

“Selling magazine subscriptions” became the goal of the founders of the aforementioned magazine, The Surfer’s Journal “rather than selling advertising to a volatile industry.”

I had the opportunity to interview Steve and Debbee Pezman, founders this “reader-supported publication” The Surfer’s Journal, the state-of-the-art surfing bimonthly magazine that is celebrating its 20th anniversary and that continues to cover surfing’s “people, culture, travel, and art from a purist point of view.”

A beautiful and very addictive magazine to hold and enjoy, even if you are not a surfer, TSJ’s founders share the genesis and conception of their idea from birth to 20 years and beyond. You can feel the passion in their answers and the love of the magazine and its subject matter. A story that need to be told and a business plan that was, is and will continue to be the best business model to launch any new magazine: find the customers who count and forget about the business of counting customers to sell to advertisers.

What follows is more than interview. It is in fact a road map to launching a new magazine. A new, ink on paper, successful, make that very successful magazine. Enjoy.

But first, as is with The Mr. Magazine™ Interviews, here are the sound-bites, followed by the Q and A with Debbee and Steve Pezman:

Each time we sweated over raising the cover price we discovered that surfers were willing to pay more if they really wanted something.

Our target readers had grown up, still surfed avidly, and their relationship to the sport had matured beyond that stage. No publication was targeting them as they aged because the advertisers didn’t.

Serving a passion by honoring it in a high quality, high-brow way, without pandering to the pressures or opportunities to commercialize our “reader-supported” approach.

The nugget of our idea applies to many topics, some with bigger potential than our own. It’s about creating compelling in-depth content in an uplifting package that makes the enthusiast feel good about their passion for that topic.

The major determinant for a printed magazine to survive in 2011 and beyond is to make something well worth holding in your hand.

And now for the full interview with Steve and Debbee Pezman:



Samir Husni: As The Surfer’s Journal approaches its 20th Anniversary, can you recall those moments when the magazine was launched? What was the idea behind the magazine?

Debbee and Steve: The idea was to publish a high-end periodical for the adult surfer (age 25+), a market that wasn’t being served. Both Steve and I had 25+ years publishing for this audience and recognized a need.

After years at Surfer, Debbee and I wanted to do our own thing. I had known a publisher of annual scholarly Journals who was able to charge a $100 for a 40-page one-color booklet because the info was absolutely necessary to the specialists in that field. That stuck in my mind. Another factor: at Surfer, each time we sweated over raising the cover price we discovered that surfers were willing to pay more if they really wanted something. The third factor: in 1992 we were in a downturn in the surf wear business and advertising spending was sinking. We thought about what would be a more reliable basis—a surfer’s undying stoke! That translated into selling them subscriptions rather than selling advertising to a volatile industry. What we wanted to publish was a pre-sold periodical book.

SH: What were you thinking charging $12.95 cover price for a magazine in 1992 when the average cover price back then was less than $4.00?

D & S: It was the highest price we then had the nerve to charge and it was how much we needed to make our idea work. It was also wanting to set The Journal apart—overall, to look, feel and read unlike anything else.

SH: What was the biggest hurdle you had to overcome to ensure that the magazine was going to make it?

D & S: One hurdle was that we were targeting a just a portion of a relatively small market, but it was the most dedicated segment. We started off with a direct mail drop of about 40,000 pieces, to Surfer subscribers who had renewed more than once and Surfrider Foundation members. We got a unheard of 8% cash response and we hadn’t published an issue yet. They responded to the fact that someone was finally going serve their level of sophistication. Because we wouldn’t be available at traditional newsstands we were counting on them to spread the word. At the time, the normal surf magazines were all focused on delivering 14-24 year-old eyeballs to their advertisers, whom they carried at a 50/50 ratio to edit. Our target readers had grown up, still surfed avidly, and their relationship to the sport had matured beyond that stage. No publication was targeting them as they aged because the advertisers didn’t. They felt abandoned until we came along.

SH: What was the most pleasant surprise during those 20 years?

D & S: Stopping at our post office box on the way to the small office we had rented, about ten days after we had dropped that direct mailing, and after 7-8 days of checking and seeing nothing there, finding the P.O. Box full plus a plastic bin overflowing with envelopes with checks in them. We took one look and Debbee shouted, “Bingo!”

SH: A lot of folks and major publishing companies doubted your venture and gave you zero chances of survival… how did you beat the odds?

D & S: Serving a passion by honoring it in a high quality, high-brow way, without pandering to the pressures or opportunities to commercialize our “reader-supported” approach. Our business model is not a “big money” idea, unlike a full-on successful ad driven publication. After we had survived for a while and appeared to have become stable, Surfer and few others noticed ran the numbers to see what we were up to. We didn’t look like much, so they shrugged us off. We were happy about that. We’ve also received sincere compliments from publishers that had done the hard labor of putting out major titles for years. They appreciated the pure esthetic of our approach. For example, the recently retired Publisher of Vogue sent us a letter congratulating us on our model. He explained that he was preparing to use a lot of our idea to publish a periodical based on the designs, culture, history, adventure travels and personalities surrounding a large premium yacht builder that would target subscription sales to their thousands of boat owners and the many more that would like to be. They were super expensive yachts. The owner demographics were through the roof. It felt almost automatic that a high % would pay a premium for a publication that enriched and glorified their boat ownership.

The nugget of our idea applies to many topics, some with bigger potential than our own. It’s about creating compelling in-depth content in an uplifting package that makes the enthusiast feel good about their passion for that topic. If you do it well, enough money comes with it to make it worthwhile, and it makes for a feel-good endeavor if you love that topic yourself! The reward is the esthetic of the model you get to engage in. The reality of the regular magazine business can get pretty ugly. This is the art gallery part of it.

SH: If someone comes to you today and said I am going to start a new magazine, what advice do you give them?

D & S: Most who come to us for advice seem to be editor types whose life is deeply engaged in the subject matter. Typically, they have an idea about a different slant or type of content package that they can’t put into play with a conventional approach. They are convinced they can compel their peers to respond to a fresh and compelling delivery vehicle. For an editor, the publishing and/or business aspects can be less developed than the content idea. You need both sets of skills at high levels to succeed. Then, you need real solid plus-factors in more than one aspect of the business plan. Of course, you always need more money than you start with. Finally, you need really great access to and familiarity with all parts of your target market (contributors, prospective readers, the specialized industry around it) as well as credibility within it. It really helps if they recognize you as an expert.

SH: As we live this digital age, do you think there a future for print and what are you doing to help amplify the future of the printed The Surfer’s Journal?

D & S: We see The Journal as a rather durable form of print: a highly specialized tangible object that titillates your brain and is rewarding to hold in your hand. For the foreseeable future, there will be a need for those traditional qualities, but the gap between traditional and new age delivery modes will become more and more extreme as generations pass.

SH: Where do you think you will be five years from now?

D & S: We will have earned an even greater sustainable base with TSJ, be evolving our model and adding and/or cobbling together a community of like titles on wide ranging subjects to share efficiencies and synergies.

SH: How can you, if you can, replicate The Surfer’s Journal business plan? Can you launch a magazine today and achieve the same results you’ve achieved with The Surfer’s Journal?

D & S: In a word, yes. It’s a simple idea that requires a team of unusual talent with thoughtful execution to succeed. Our idea is for each title to be built by a small satellite group of specialists, orbiting a central service structure that provides the non-specialized services at a high level.

SH: One final question, if you were to finish this sentence how would finish it…. The major determinant for a printed magazine to survive in 2011 and beyond is…

D & S: … Make something well worth holding in your hand.

SH: Thank you.

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Nancy Gibbs, TIME’s Executive Editor to Samir Husni: This is a Fantastic Time to be in Journalism and the Changes in Technology Only Make it Better: The Mr. Magazine™ Interview

February 24, 2011

Change is the only constant in the media business. And the changes in the hierarchy of Time Inc. last week, sadly overshadowed some innovative changes at TIME, the magazine.

Rick Stengel, TIME’s managing editor, wrote in his Editor’s Desk under the “predictive” heading “Changes All Around”

“If you think this issue of TIME looks a bit different, you’re right. We’ve tweaked the front of the magazine, adding an Economy page and a photo spread; moved 10 Questions to the back page; and created one large section called The Culture, which combines the old Life and Arts sections. The design evolution was led by executive editor Nancy Gibbs, along with assistant managing editor Radhika Jones and our design director, D.W. Pine…”


I had the opportunity to talk with Nancy Gibbs, TIME’s executive editor who led those innovative changes. I asked her about the changes at TIME, the future of print and digital, the role of the magazine vs. the online and the tablets and the status of journalism and its future today. Here are some sound bites followed by, in typical Mr. Magazine™ Interviews, lightly edited transcript of the interview.

The sound bites:

No matter how much technology changes, no matter how much the political environment changes, the human need for stories is every bit as powerful as the need for food and water and sleep.

Storytelling as an important service and art form is always going to be important. Having more ways to tell a great story, having more platforms for storytelling is terrific.

What print allows you to do is to have a contract with your reader that they’re willing to spend some time with you.

Everything seems to be additional, rather than a replacement. That doesn’t worry me. I love print, but I also love what we’re finding we’re able to do on these other platforms as well.

If you want to have a much more manageable, edited and curated account of things that really matter and are interesting and surprising and provocative to think about, then the magazine is a very efficient vehicle for that.

This whole (change) process was launched and pursued completely independently of anything Newsweek was doing.

This is a fantastic time to be in journalism and the changes in technology only make it better.

And now for the full, lightly edited, interview with Nancy Gibbs, executive editor of TIME.

Samir Husni: TIME underwent a redesign in 2007 to become what I refer to as the first glossy intellectual weekly, so what’s the reasoning behind this new round of changes?

Nancy Gibbs: This is really an evolution of that design; you won’t notice–and I don’t think our readers will notice–a dramatic change. The fonts and typefaces are the same. The general feeling of the magazine is very much the same. It is more of a reorganization and I think a freshening–almost a cleaning up–of that design, because, as you know very well, over the years where you start adding various features and adding new little trinkets here and there, any design can get too busy sometimes and may lose some of its clarity.

What we were looking for was supposed to increase the clarity and the flexibility that we had. One thing that would frustrate us from week to week was that as we have an audience online–it is almost as big as the audience for our printed magazine– and there’s very little overlap between the two and yet we were producing fantastic stories on time.com for which there wasn’t really a home in the magazine. It was not easy, natural or organic to have stories that started out online and ended up in the magazine and vice-versa. So, we thought if there were a way to look at the architecture of the magazine: how we cover the news, how we cover feature stories, how we use photography–it would let us harvest the best of time.com through the week, and that would be very helpful.

A good example of that is one of the most successful features that we’ve had, both on time.com and on the iPad, is the way we feature photojournalism. We are certainly able to use photographs in our features-well stories, however we still have pictures that we wish we had a place for (in the printed magazine) even if they didn’t necessarily go with some major news that we were writing about in the well of the magazine, but we want readers to see. We can do that now with the briefings section at the front of the magazine. When you turn to the first page you have what we call “Close Up”, which is just whatever we think is the most knock-your-socks-off picture of the week. So it was with things like that that we just wanted to have the flexibility to find a home for things in the magazine that we know the readers really like. We knew if we made the architecture even clearer that we could be much more flexible about what we put in it.

SH: Everybody is talking now about apps. Everybody is paying so much attention to digital and here, yet again, TIME magazine surprises people by refocusing on print saying, “How can we amplify the printed edition.” Do you think we are spending too much time on digital and ignoring print? Or do you think there is a future for both? Or are we all going to be worshiping the machines?

NG: I absolutely think there’s a place for both and partly because there are things that are suited to print more than to reading on a screen or experiencing on a screen, and there are things that are great on a screen. I think that great stories are great stories. Storytelling as an important service and art form is always going to be important. Having more ways to tell a great story, having more platforms for storytelling is terrific. I don’t think we should view this as a competition or some sort of fight to the death between digital and print. I think it allows everything to reach its highest level. The experience you have reading a magazine is just a different experience than you have when you’re sitting at a computer. The tablets add yet a third kind of experience. The tablets are not the same as sitting with your desktop, they’re not the same, obviously, as sitting with a printed magazine, and so we’re still learning in exciting ways about each new platform. I’m sure we will learn more and more going forward. I don’t by any means think that they replace print anymore as everyone has pointed out. It’s not as if television replaced radio. It’s not as though cable television replaced broadcast television. It’s not as though the Internet replaced movies or TV. Everything seems to be additional, rather than a replacement. That doesn’t worry me. I love print, but I also love what we’re finding we’re able to do, and we’ll be doing down the road on these other platforms as well.

SH: One of the things I tell the students is that we’re no longer journalists; we are now experience makers. You talked so much about the differences in the experience, between TIME, the magazine, the website and the tablet. Can you briefly tell me how you define the experience when you are flipping through the pages of a printed magazine, and how do you differentiate that experience from the online and from the tablet experience?

NG: One handy distinction people will make is distinguishing between a lean-back experience and a lean-forward experience. When you are sitting at your computer and you have the screen open to time.com, or to another news site, you also may have instant messages coming in, your email is buzzing, you’re constantly being invited to move away from whatever page you’re reading. I think people who write for websites and blogs and news sites realize that they must command the reader’s attention instantly, and they should not count on holding on to it for very long because you’re able to jump around a bunch. Websites invite you to jump around. There are links that will take you away from whatever it is they have been trying to get you to read in the first place.

It’s a very different experience than a magazine, which is a much more lean-back experience where I see people settle in to read a magazine knowing that they can get lost in it; knowing that the magazine is not suddenly going to interrupt itself. That’s a much more immersive experience.

So far the tablets can go either way. No one is particularly ready to read a book sitting at their desktop but people have been reading books on e-readers now for years. The experience of the brighter screen and the ease of “teaching” through a book on an iPad is also a good experience. You can’t, at the moment, as easily scribble in the margin or turn down the corner of the page or do various things that you are used to doing with a tactile experience of a book. It is possible to have an immersive experience with tablets that I don’t think is possible to have in the same way with websites. In that sense, the tablets are a more natural extension of the print magazine.

What we do on time.com is very different than what we do in TIME magazine and the actual content of TIME Magazine is a tiny fraction of the content of time.com. Time.com is wholly its own real-time, 24/7 news site.

I think what print allows you to do is have a sort of contract with your reader that they’re willing to spend some time with. It doesn’t mean you’re allowed to waste their time. You still have to signal that you are respectful that they’re spending time with you, but you don’t have to grab the reader by the scruff of the neck with the first five words of your story. You can sometimes enter into a story more artfully. It can be longer than typically what we see anyone doing online. In a way, with the photography integrated into it, it is a richer, three-dimensional experience.

SH: Do readers want a 24/7? Or do they want a gatekeeper? When they get TIME magazine, do they feel up to speed on what’s going on? Is once a week more than enough? Or do you think that we are so immersed with technology now that we are forgetting about the human being?

NG: I think that what we hear from our readers is they are aware that at any minute of any hour of any day they can find out what is happening anywhere in the world. They know that’s all available to them. But, we’re all busy people and we do not have time to spend, 12, 15, 18 hours a day reading through news sites and four newspapers and the live streams of whether it’s Al Jazeera this week and the BBC last week and NBC next week. People do not have time, and if they want to remain informed about important stories that are both those in the news–what on earth is going on in Libya right now, and stories sort of behind the news–they need for us to be the curators for them.

There are a limited amount of hours in the day, and what we hear from our readers is they like for the magazine to start with a very efficient overview of important events grabbed from the last week. They find that enormously useful. They don’t want a lot of extra bells and whistles and gimmicks. They want an efficient digest of the news. In the feature well they want us to take them somewhere where they would not be able to go; to take them into the rooms where the doors are locked. What was the president really saying to his top advisors as Egypt was going through these earthquakes? What was really going on down on Wall Street as Lehman Brothers was collapsing? This helps readers understand not only what really happened but also why it happened, what it meant and why it affects them.

The way news is delivered online, the 24/7 news, all those by definition can’t be storytelling. That is delivering the news as it’s happening and to pull back and say, “Well here’ s the overall story. Here’s the background and the context. Here are the most important factors that lead up to this.” You cannot do that in sort of continuous stream. You can only do that when enough time has passed and it’s possible to make sense of an event. This is why the weekly rhythm of TIME magazine is really ideal. It is enough time to be making sense and taking stock of the important events of the moment and to put them into context and sort out what’s passing, significant, trivial and what really matters and what we should be paying attention to.
Yet, the great thing about having time.com is we can also be doing real-time updates of here’s what’s happening today in Bahrain. Here’s what’s happening right now in Yemen or, in the Senate. We have the best of both worlds; we can be an authoritative, reliable, trusted news source for people who want to know what is happening right now, but those same people also want us to pull back and tell them what this means, how it affects me and why I should care about it. That’s what we’re able to do in the magazine.

SH: What I hear from some people is we’re having an information overload. We’re bombarded…

NG: That’s exactly where our opportunity lies. It is exactly because people feel overloaded. They cannot possible take it all in and sort it all out. What we’re saying is we will give you as much of the news as you want. Log on to time.com, subscribe to our Twitter feed, and we are there. But if you want to have a much more manageable, edited and curated account of things that really matter and are interesting and surprising and provocative to think about, then the magazine is a very efficient vehicle for that.

SH: Is there any reason why Time has made changes now? Is it because Newsweek is changing? There is a lot of talk with Tina Brown changing Newsweek.

NG: That’s so funny. I laugh with people about this, but we started to make these changes roughly a year ago. Not only was Tina Brown nowhere near Newsweek, Newsweek hadn’t been sold yet. Newsweek was going along, doing its thing. This whole process was launched and pursued completely independently of anything Newsweek was doing. When we were ready to do it, we were ready to do it. These things take a long time. Even when the changes are not big, it takes a long time to sort out what we want to do.

Things like the new “Culture” section in the back; I’m so excited about it because it is really fun, and it was designed to be a very smart, very friendly, sort of intimate conversation with readers about the things that people will tend to care most about: your health, your money, what movie to see this weekend, your kids, the more personal conversations that tend to be what people talk about over dinner. That’s what we get to do in that “Culture” section. It is fantastic to now have this, again, very flexible vehicle to cover all those topics that we’ve always covered but in a different way or improvised way every week. Now, having that section and figuring out what we’re going to do with it this week is just as much fun as I’ve had in a long time.

SH: You’ve done a great job in making TIME a must read. It’s no longer an option if you are in this business. Being a teacher, a professor, what do you tell incoming journalists now? You’re a woman who was has written more cover stories for Time magazine, more columns; you have your hand on the pulse of America. What do you tell those incoming journalism students? Is there a future for them?

NG: Absolutely. I sure hope so, and I absolutely think so. I think there is something about human nature that will not change. No matter how much technology changes, no matter how much the political environment changes, the human need for stories is every bit as powerful as the need for food and water and sleep. It is stories that let us make sense of our world and understand our placement. In a sense, the busier and more information-clogged our lives become, the more important it is to have as part of one’s diet a kind of storytelling that explains not just what’s happening but what it means. Doing that is so much fun. Our job is basically figuring out things that people are interested in and finding out more about it. It is, by nature, an always-fascinating job. I was talking to a journalism class last week, and it was a fantastic group of kids from all over the world, and I think one thing that we’re seeing right now with the extraordinary news stories we’re seeing is that the importance of bearing witness and the importance of explanation and information that is reliable and authoritative has never been greater. I think that this is a fantastic time to be in journalism and the changes in technology only make it better.

SH: Thank you.

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The Strong, Smart and Sexy Dutch Cosmo Women!

February 17, 2011

Technology is making it easier for print to offer split covers of the same magazine. This trend of split-covers is neither new nor is limited to the United States. However, while most magazines print split covers to test an image, a cover line, a price, etc., the Dutch edition of Cosmopolitan used the three-way split cover to enhance the editorial message about the Cosmo Dutch women who are Smart, Strong and Sexy.

The February edition of the Dutch Cosmo sports a split run with three covers of the fabulous Dutch Sylvie van der Vaart. Why three you may ask? Dutch Cosmo’s publishing director Sanne Visser is quick to answer: “because Cosmo-women are (Sterk) that is Strong in English, (Slim) that is Smart in English and Sexy. So we had a Strong, a Smart and a Sexy cover.”

Take a look at the “Sterk,” “Slim” and “Sexy” covers and judge for yourself. Enjoy.

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Collaborate, Innovate and Celebrate: What Can You Learn from Four Media Companies’ CEOs

January 18, 2011

The status and future of magazines distributed via newspapers will be the topic of the panel that I will be moderating on Thursday Jan. 20 in New York City. The panel will include the four CEOs of the major media companies that publish and distribute such magazines. The panelist are John Cobb III, CEO, Publishing Group of America; Stephen Duggan, CEO, Athlon Sports; Chuck Gabrielson, CEO, USA Weekend; and Jack Haire, CEO, Parade. (Full bios are at the end of the blog).

I have asked three colleagues to comment on the event and on the status of magazines distributed via newspapers. Lisa Scott, the executive director of PBAA and the event co-host answered my questions regarding who and why folks should attend the panel; Steve Cohn, editor in chief of min: media industry newsletter on the status of magazines distributed via newspapers; and Bob Sacks, founder and CEO of the Precision Media Group on the state and future of such titles.

I asked Lisa Scott who should attend such a panel? Her answer:

This panel, comprised of experienced CEO’s, offers anyone interested in the future of print media an opportunity to benefit from the panelists’ varied and cumulative insights, experiments, successes, mistakes, and reasons for optimism. Whether the attendee is a journalist, advertising professional, consumer marketer, media buyer, or supply-chain professional, there should be something to provoke or inspire or ponder on January 20.

And I asked, why should anyone attend such a panel?

Magazine and newspaper publishers and distributors will be able to understand why CEO’s are continuing to “bet” on print as a revenue source. More specifically, CEO’s can share real insight on the results of their research on their consumer audience, the role/value of digital media to these print-engaged consumers, and how and why they believe they can continue to woo investors in print media in the coming years. These insights can assist publishers and distributors to continue to build the case proving the vitality of print as a consumer’s media delivery vehicle in the years ahead.

As for Steve Cohn, the knowledgeable and well versed editor in chief of min:media industry newsletter, shed some light on the status of such magazines. He answered my questions about the magazines distributed via newspapers:

Newspaper-distributed magazines are growing because of (1) they fill a void created by the cessation of newspaper-published magazines due to their expense in a tough economy; and (2) they give newspapers added value.

Until 2000, newspaper-distributed magazines were the realm of Parade and USA Weekend (formerly Family Weekly). Then, Publishing Group of America came in with the successful launch of the largely “C”- and “D”-county targeted American Profile, followed by the monthly Relish (epicurean) and Spry (health). Now, there are periodically released health titles from Parade/USAW, and the Parade-owned epicurean magazine Dash is about to start a regular monthly frequency in February.

The advantage of newspaper-distributed magazines is that they don’t have to worry about circulation. Newspaper sales take care of that.

Disadvantage, until recently, was that newspaper-distributed magazines were solely dependent upon advertising for revenues. Online is beginning to make a contribution here.

Traditionally, advertising in newspaper-distributed magazines has held its own in tough economies, because the titles’ large circulations and low CPMs versus television makes them comparably a bargain.

And of course my friend Bob Sacks of the bosacks.com fame offered this view of the status and future of magazines distributed via newspapers:

Magazines inserted into newspapers surely are an interesting and successful business model for some on-going publications. It is still difficult to attain those types of huge circulations from any publisher’s perspective. The numbers in your blog are, indeed, large and will stay that way for some limited time to come. But simple trend analysis reveals some interesting long-term data. In 1960 the penetration rate of newspapers into the American home was in the range of 1.1 newspapers per household. By 1995 the year before the great Internet adoption, it was down to .60 per American household, and by 2010 the penetration rate was resting under 0.35 per household.

I guess my question is, where and when is the circulation plateau rather than the continued plummet of a 50-year decline? I would add that it is extremely important to note that the decline in household penetration for newspapers happened long before the rise of the Internet.

So, what do you think? Is the future bright and rosy for such publications? Or is it a lost cause? I guess on Thursday we will have the answers when we listen to those four CEOs answer the aforementioned questions. What follows are the short bios, in alphabetical order, of the four CEOs:

John W. Cobb III
John W. Cobb III is CEO of PGoA Media, a publishing, digital media and event company built around the American Profile, Relish and Spry brands.

Cobb’s extensive background managing the expansion of print and digital brands puts PGoA Media in the best possible position to continue to deliver outstanding results for advertisers, tremendous value for newspaper partners and robust content for consumers.

Prior to joining PGoA Media, Cobb was Senior Vice President, Digital at Source Interlink Media, which is the leading provider of automobile, action sports and high-tech content. He managed more than 100 web properties, including Motor Trend, Automobile, Hot Rod, Motorcyclist and Surfer with revenues of $50 million and 22 million unique visitors a month.

With more than 20 years as a senior media/internet executive, Cobb has led and developed large-scale, multi-media properties for Petersen Publishing, EMAP, PRIMEDIA and Source Interlink Media.

Cobb is based in New York and has a wife and two children. He’s an avid pilot and an active snow and water skier. He also enjoys golf, travel and technology.

Stephen Duggan
Stephen Duggan serves as President & Chief Executive Officer of Athlon Sports, publisher of Athlon Sports – the largest sports magazine in the U.S. with 9 million monthly circulation. Athlon is also the leading publisher of sports annuals with titles covering College Football, Pro Football, College Basketball, Pro Basketball, NASCAR, Pro Baseball and Golf.

Prior to joining Athlon, Stephen spent the previous decade working with private equity backed media companies. In 1999 Stephen helped found Publishing Group of America. Stephen was integrally involved in the successful launches of newspaper distributed American Profile, Relish and Spry magazines. Following the Sale of PGA in 2007, Stephen served as Chief Executive Officer of Alpha Media Group, publisher of Maxim magazine, where he led the Company’s successful business and balance sheet restructurings. Maxim is the leading magazine targeting young men 18-34 with a rate base of 2.5 million copies monthly.

Stephen currently serves on the Board of Directors for Questex Media Group, Inc, a leading global business-to-business (“B2B”) communications company serving multiple industries through a range of well-established, market-leading publications, events, interactive media, research, information and integrated marketing services.

Stephen is a graduate of Murray State University.

Chuck Gabrielson
Charles “Chuck” Gabrielson joined Gannett in 1971 at The Journal News in Westchester County, NY (then Westchester-Rockland Newspapers). He began his career as a management trainee in the advertising department then served in advertising and marketing management roles, including Advertising Director.
He joined USA WEEKEND in 1989 as Executive Vice President, named Publisher in 1996 and President and Publisher on January 2010. He previously served as Advertising Director of Macy’s Co. and Marketing/Sales Director of Advertising Age Magazine and Founder and Publisher of Creativity Magazine.

In 2009, Chuck was inducted to The Advertising Hall of Fame presented by MIN (Media Industry News). He is a graduate of Long Island University (LIU) and resides in New City, N.Y. with his wife Lisa.

Jack Haire
Jack Haire is President and CEO of Parade Publications. In his year and a half at the helm of the most widely read magazine in America, he has invested important resources in the brand and re-energized its business and editorial models. In addition to bringing top talent to Parade, Jack has helped forge strong partnerships with key newspaper and advertising partners. Under his leadership, Parade built a unique content distribution network with 40 million monthly unique visitors across 400 trusted newspaper web sites. Last November, Parade launched dash, a new food magazine and web business that will include branded content from Bon Appétit, Epicurious.com and Gourmet, marking the first editorial collaboration between Parade and Condé Nast.



Prior to joining Parade, Haire spent twenty-eight years at Time Warner Inc. During his tenure, he was publisher of Time Magazine, President of the Fortune/Money Group, and Chairman of the Time Warner Advertising Council. On his watch, both TIME and Fortune were chosen as Adweek’s Hottest Magazine, measured by 3 year advertising growth. He also partnered with CNN on the launch of CNNMoney.com, one of the Web’s most successful and profitable finance sites. He serves on the board of Concern Worldwide, U.S., an international humanitarian organization, and as a director of LodgeNet Interactive and Top Ten Reviews.



Haire lives in Connecticut with his wife and two children. He enjoys reading, golf, fishing, and playing or watching all sports.

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What Makes Newspaper Distributed Magazines Thrive in a Digital Age?

January 10, 2011

Parade, USA Weekend, and American Profile magazines have a combined circulation of almost 60 million copies every single week. Add to that the monthlies Relish, Parade’s Healthystyle, Spry, Athlon Sports and Dash and the number jumps over 100 million circulation. What do all these magazines have in common? They are all magazines distributed via newspapers and are all expanding their presence on the digital front at the same time.

The concept of magazines distributed via newspapers is not a new one, yet it seems that in the last few years more magazines, with some hefty large circulation numbers, have launched using this method. What gives considering that the prophets of doom and gloom are predicting the demise of newspapers, as we know them: ink on paper?

This and many other questions will be at the heart of the debate, taking place on January 20 in New York City, at the Collaborate, Innovate, Celebrate CEO Roundtable sponsored by the Periodical and Book Association of America (PBAA), the American Association of Independent New Distributors (AAIND) and the Magazine Innovation Center (MIC) at The University of Mississippi.
The panelist include John Cobb, CEO, Publishing Group of America; Stephen Duggan, CEO, Athlon Sports; Chuck Gabrielson, CEO, USA Weekend; and Jack Haire, CEO, Parade. The panel will be moderated by Samir “Mr. Magazine™” Husni, founder and director of the Magazine Innovation Center.

The panel will also answer questions ranging from how are those publishers using digital to ensure a print future and what role does newspaper distributed magazines play in enhancing the newspapers readership and the newspapers themselves? What type of audience it is attracting? Are you after customers who count or just counting customers?

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The Mr. Magazine™ 2011 Manifesto for a Healthy, Wealthy and Lively New Media Year

January 2, 2011

Today marks the beginning of a new year. A very good beginning indeed. A beginning that starts with nothing but ones. Today is 1, 1, 11. So, in honor of this new beginning, here is The Mr. Magazine™ 2011 Manifesto, published in min: media industry newsletter‘s Jan. 3, 2011 issue:




GUEST COMMENTARY
SAMIR HUSNI

The Mr. Magazine™ 2011 Manifesto:
THE LUCKY 13 FOR A HEALTHY, WEALTHY AND LIVELY MEDIA FUTURE

Happy New Year! My “resolutions” are this manifesto, which I believe will make your season bright in 2011. Here’s my “baker’s dozen”:

1. Romance the customer, the reader, the user, the viewer, the listener– but NOT the machine. That should be your motto in 2011.
2. Stop renovating if you are going to be in the business of innovation.
3. Throw a ball from left field, surprising your customers, readers, users, viewers, and listeners every time you interact with them. Give them what they expect, but surprise them with what they don’t.
4. Humanize your medium. Focus on the human voice, values, and vision behind the ink on paper, pixels on the screen, or bytes on the sound waves. In an age of isolated connectivity, humanizing the medium is a MUST, not an option.
5. Do not be afraid to charge for quality content. People are paying big money for what you think is not quality content.
6. Change your thinking and decide what is quality content based on your customers, readers, users, viewers, and listeners. Do not create based on you, but based on them. YOU are NOT THEM. Big surprise.
7. Hire someone younger, much younger, if you really want to innovate. Established folks drag a lot of luggage with them, intentionally or otherwise. Some may call this the wisdom of age, but I call it old habits that are hard to die hard. The “young and restless” drag very few and have yet to cement their feet in old or new habits.
8. Free yourself from the past but do not uproot yourself during the pruning season.
The new leaves and branches are what make a tree look good, not the roots. However, without the roots there will be no tree.
9. Keep in mind that only 9% of companies survive any disruptive innovation. Start thinking (and bring in someone new to think for you) on how to be a minority survivor rather than a majority has-been.
10. You are living the dawn of a new age, the age of Transcended Media. Are you ready to start the conversation with your customers, readers, users, viewers and listeners? Are you ready to keep the conversation going and whet their appetite for more?
11. 2011 is no different from 2010 or 2000. If you are NOT creating an engaging, addictive, repetitive conversation with your customers, readers, users, viewers, and listeners, that only means one thing: you are DEAD.
12. So show the world you are ALIVE and START romancing your customers, readers, users, viewers, and listeners. Make love to them and not to the platform or machine. You OWE it to them. And…
13. Stop being only a content provider and marketer. Start becoming an Experience Maker. There is where your media future starts.

And that, my friends, will lead you into a healthy, wealthy, and above all, lively media world of 2011 and beyond.

Samir Husni, Ph.D., is founder (2009) and director of the Magazine Innovation Center at the University of Mississippi, where he previously chaired the journalism department. Husni’s Mr. Magazine™ monicker comes from his tracking more than 18,000 launches since 1986, when his Guide to New Magazines debuted. The 26th edition of the Guide (Nautilus Publishing/Oxford, Miss.) will be released in February 2011.

A very happy and fruitful 2011 to all.

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From “O, The Oprah Magazine” to “OWN”, programming for a television network is born. The Mr. Magazine™ Interview with Jill Seelig, O, The Oprah Magazine’s Publisher and Chief Revenue Officer

December 28, 2010

“Change” can easily be the word that defined the publishing world in 2010, and “Adapting to Change” will be the sentence defining the publishing world in 2011. One major change taking place in 2011 is Oprah Winfrey, the “show queen” of television, closing the “window” on her daily show and opening the “door” to her own television network OWN. A network that O, The Oprah Magazine is used “as the basis for the network’s programming.”

How will this end of an era, and the beginning of a new one, effect O, The Oprah Magazine, one of the most successful magazine launches of the last decade? I had the opportunity to ask Jill Seelig, vice president, publisher and chief revenue officer of O, The Oprah Magazine few questions regarding the forthcoming changes and in the words of the main cover-line of the January issue of O, The Oprah Magazine, “What’s Your Next Chapter?”

Here are the sound-bites followed by The Mr. Magazine™ Interview with Jill Seelig, publisher of O, The Oprah Magazine.

The magazine has very little duplication with viewers of The Oprah Winfrey Show.
Oprah loves the iPad – it was even part of her Favorite Things episode this year.
The app is an enhanced version of our print product, offering video and audio — much of it featuring Oprah herself – animation, interactivity, customization and tap-to-buy functionality.
The print and digital editions of our magazine live side by side comfortably.
O offers one of the most unique reading experiences for women. We are the only women’s magazine that comes from a place of optimism, inspiration and authenticity.
Advertisers tap into the depth of this reader connection, and it enhances and elevates the credibility of their brands.

And, now for the full interview:

Samir Husni: As the Oprah daily show comes to an end and a new era of Oprah starts, how will that effect O, The Oprah Magazine? Will the out of sight out of mind premise work here? Some say that repetition a major source of addiction, what will happen to the magazine without Oprah being seen on television every day?

Jill Seelig: O, The Oprah Magazine and OWN will be the go-to places for women who want to connect with Oprah and her message. Interestingly, the magazine has very little duplication with viewers of The Oprah Winfrey Show – currently only 19% of the show’s audience are O magazine readers. We believe that OWN – a 24/7 television presence – will drive more readers to the magazine, with more synergy and shared content living across both platforms. After all, as Oprah has said, David Zaslav came to her holding a copy of the magazine and said he wanted to use it as the basis for the network’s programming. OWN is dedicated to Oprah’s Live Your Best Life mission, just like the magazine.

SH: With Oprah now having her OWN, what are the plans to expand O, The Oprah Magazine? You’ve launched the first App. in Dec., any other plans of expanding and promoting the brand?

JS: We’re very excited about our iPad app, which launched as a monthly with our December issue. It has been extremely well-received, and was a featured app in the iTunes store from the moment it launched, taking the #1 spot in the lifestyle category right out of the gate, and we also have a digital edition available on the Nook as well as through Zinio.

Oprah loves the iPad – it was even part of her Favorite Things episode this year. Each month the O, The Oprah Magazine app gets richer and more compelling, as our editors incorporate innovative functionality and exclusive content – all filtered through the prism of Oprah’s philosophy and uplifting message. The app is an enhanced version of our print product, offering video and audio — much of it featuring Oprah herself – animation, interactivity, customization and tap-to-buy functionality. And Oprah loves books, and they are an important part of the magazine so one of the most unique features on the app is that users may access, for free, the first chapter of every book featured in the issue. If users like what they read, they can tap-to-buy through Amazon or Barnes and Noble.

SH: Hearst Magazines have invested a lot in enhancing and promoting their print products. What are you doing specifically with O, The Oprah Magazine to enhance and promote the print magazine? Are you working on ensuring a print future in a digital age?

JS: The print and digital editions of our magazine live side by side comfortably. O, The Oprah Magazine is the #3 monthly magazine at newsstand, and demand is high – readers love the tactile experience of holding our beautiful, glossy magazine and they love to interact with our brand up-close and in-person. Every year, thousands of readers join us at our signature event, O You!, which is a day of inspiration and education, delivered directly to our attendees by the experts they connect with every month in our pages. Over the years, we’ve held the event in cities from coast to coast. Speakers have included Dr. Oz, Suze Orman, Nate Berkus, Martha Beck, Donna Brazile and others, and of course our editor at large, Gayle King, who welcomes everyone and broadcasts her radio show from the venue. It is amazing to see the readers relating to our content in a dynamic way – we get (mostly) women from around the country and around the world who are passionate about the magazine.

Social media is proving to be a great way to stay in close contact with our audience – and it is not only the tweets from our magazine, or from creative director Adam Glassman or Gayle King – women can interact with nearly all of our contributors through social media. And of course we use emails and Facebook postings to ask for our readers’ opinions, encourage dialogue as well as invite them to attend events and enter amazing sweepstakes.

One recent example of print and digital working side-by-side was our 12 Day Holiday Give-O-Way, which was featured in the December issue, and awarded 12 winners all 70 products from the Holiday O List, plus select items from Oprah’s Favorite Things episode. Codes were hidden within the magazine’s pages and were accessible via the iPad, both of which drove readers to Oprah.com to enter every day for 12 days for a chance to win. In addition, we tweeted reminders, posted messages on Facebook and the result was more than 2.1 million entries!

SH: With the hope that the economy is rebounding, are there any plans to bring back O At Home or launch any other spinoffs?

JS: We’re focused on O, The Oprah Magazine and our digital editions at the moment.

SH: One of my mantras for the New Year is to Romance the Customer and not the platform. How do you see your readers, users, etc. interacting with the product and what are doing for them? The same when it comes to the advertisers? How would you answer the simple question for both readers and advertisers, “What is in it for me?”

JS: O offers one of the most unique reading experiences for women. We are the only women’s magazine that comes from a place of optimism, inspiration and authenticity, and because of that, 16 million readers connect with O on a deep emotional level every month. This magazine is truly a guide for our readers – helping them recognize what is wonderful about their lives and offering sage wisdom from our contributors on everything from achieving goals and dreams and making the most of their relationships, to financial planning to the best fashion and beauty buys.

Advertisers tap into the depth of this reader connection, and it enhances and elevates the credibility of their brands. Our readers tell us that when they consistently see an ad in O it’s a signal to them that the advertiser supports and shares the mindset of the women who read the magazine….that’s a powerful endorsement that moves readers to action and drives sales.

SH: If I am to give you a magic wand and you strike O, The Oprah Magazine to create a human being, who will it be? Can you describe that human being?

JS: That’s easy…it’s Oprah Winfrey. A woman in process who is curious about the world, eager to learn and grow, works in service of others, and challenges herself to Live Her Best Life everyday.

SH: Thank you.

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Innovation in Print: A Head, A Magazine and A Lot of Sifting… McSweeney’s Number Thirty-Six

December 21, 2010

Taking the literary definition of a magazine as a storehouse, Dave Eggers and his team at Timothy McSweeney’s, delivers one of the best stores that can only be build in print. Inside the “head”, aka the store, McSweeney’s offers “a headful of new and unseen work” by Michael Chabon, John Brandon, Jack Pendarvis and Adam Levin among others. As you sift through the head you will find a roll of “fortunes” including the one that informs you that “Oliver Pratt is your real dad. Sorry for the late notice;” A “Catfish Scene” painting in four postcards; A mini “Fancy Times” book-a-zine; a novel in a bag; a mini booklet; and many other good, really good stuff, as you can see in the picture below.

The experience, and yes, it is an experience to open the “head” and take a peek inside. Pulling the ten different “products” from inside “the store,” the reader, turned shopper, gathers a wealth of information that is both entertaining and informative. An experience made for print and print only. And before your head starts spinning, take a look at the products inside the store.

In order for you to see the entire spinning store, I have shot of a mini video showing all sides of McSweeney’s Issue 36.

As for what is under the “head” or at the bottom of the store, well, I am not going to spoil all your fun. You have to buy the magazine to find out. Enjoy the experience! It is worth every penny of the $26 cover price.

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What makes THE Most Notable Launch of the Last 25 Years Tick, Click and Stick: The Mr. Magazine™ Interview with David Zinczenko

December 14, 2010

In the last 25 years more than 18,000 new magazines were introduced to the marketplace in the United States alone. Last week at min’s Most Intriguing Event in New York City, I revealed the name of The Most Notable Magazine Launch of the Last 25 Years. That prestigious honor went to Men’s Health magazine. Accepting the award was David Zinczenko, the editor in chief who, together with the entire Men’s Health team, made and continue to makes the magazine the power player it is today. Rooted in the United States with branches all over the world, Men’s Health is now more than a magazine. It has become a world-wide experience for men all over the world.

I had the opportunity to ask Mr. Zinczenko seven questions regarding what makes Men’s Health tick, click and stick with its readers, users, viewers, listeners and customers. His answers, each in two takes (thanks for his generosity with his time), shed more than a light on what can be considered a formula for success that others can try to imitate to create a successful publication for the 21st century and beyond.

Mr. Zinczenko secrets of success start and end with the readers. He values reader service more than anything else. His definition, “reader service is: compulsively actionable tips that can change lives. It has to be practical, it has to be effective, it has to be backed by solid science, and it has to be delivered to our guys in a way that doesn’t talk down to them, doesn’t nag them, doesn’t bore them.”

What follows is the complete, and lightly edited, Mr. Magazine™ Interview in which you will find “tons of useful ideas” from the man at the helm of the magazine that provides “tons of useful stuff.”

Samir Husni: Since the launch of Men’s Health many other imitators have come and gone. What is the secret of longevity for Men’s Health?

David Zinczenko: (Take One) We put an enormous amount of time and effort into reader research. Every single issue we do is run through a panel of reader/editors, who give us feedback on what’s working for them. And we do a staff post-mortem to review the findings. And a lot of our long-term success is based on institutional knowledge. The average editor on staff has been here about a decade. It takes several years to understand the voice and to get to know the important people in the fields of health, fitness and nutrition.

(Take Two) Omega 3 Fatty Acids. But seriously, a magazine lives and dies by the hardiness of the underlying idea that drives it. For us, the bedrock is helping men seize control of all of the most troublesome aspects of their lives. Their relationships. Their jobs, Their waistlines. Their health. Those needs are universal, and the responses to them change as the years go by, as well. We keep track of the primary mission, and constantly evolve the approaches to responding to it.

SH: What makes MH tick? What is the pulse of MH? The heart beat that keeps it going….

DZ: (Take One) Men’s Health is a place for men to go where they’re going to be told that they’re ok—that other men have the same concerns that they have. It was a revolutionary idea back in 1988 and it remains so to this day.

(Take Two) The beating heart of the magazine is reader service. Every editor who comes to work here has to be reeducated about what real reader service is: compulsively actionable tips that can change lives. It has to be practical, it has to be effective, it has to be backed by solid science, and it has to be delivered to our guys in a way that doesn’t talk down to them, doesn’t nag them, doesn’t bore them. We are the wise older brother our readers never had…even for guys who are older than we are.

SH: What makes MH click? What is the sound, the voice of the magazine?

DZ: (Take One) It’s a sensibility: the idea that we have something important to say, and we are going to say it in a way that’s going to entertain you, and entertain ourselves at the same time. We will not waste your time with blather, but neither will we bore you with self-importance.

(Take Two) The magazine’s voice is that of a guy who really knows what he’s talking about, but who is self-aware enough not to be a blowhard about it. That’s why we can get away with giving our guys advice without putting them off, and also maintain a great sense of humor when we do it. The fact is, we editors have had nearly all of the same problems we’re helping our readers to solve, so how could we possibly talk down to them?

SH: What makes MH stick? What are the values of the magazines? What keeps the conversation engaging with its readers?

DZ: (Take One) Positive, passionate, intensely researched, life-altering service. If it can’t change the lives of a majority of its readers, in big ways or in small ones, then it probably isn’t a Men’s Health story

(Take Two) The needs and yearnings of men are universal, and they’ve been around for a very long time. We’re able to identify those needs because we identify with them personally. We don’t have personal problems; we have story ideas, as an editor here once said. That’s our bond with our readers, and it’s a strong one.

SH: If you are to humanize MH, who will it be? The person, the identity, the voice, values and vision?

DZ: (Take One) It’s a bit of a cliché, but MH is that older brother, that wised-up guy who’s looking out for you. A lot of other men’s magazines seems to say, “we’re cooler than you, but if you give us your lunch money, we’ll let you sit at our table.” Men’s Health says, “we’re just like you. We just have learned a little bit more on our way here.”

(Take Two) The subline for the magazine started out as “tons of useful stuff for regular guys,” and that sticks with us still today. There’s a “regular guy” inside all of us; whether it’s our March cover guy Matt Damon or a subscriber in Iowa City. We’re all fighting to live a great life, be strong, be there for our loved ones, and the magazine supports that quest for “regular” guys around the globe.

SH: Where do you see MH 25 years from now?

DZ: (Take One) I think it’s easier to predict where men’s health will be than where the rest of the publishing industry will be. We’ve already made the leap out of the magazine category and into a larger space as a media brand and a format-agnostic information provider. Unless someone invents something more important to the individual than their own health and well-being, and that of their loved ones, I have to assume we’ll remain the category leader, as long as we stay true to our values and our voice.

(Take Two) I’ve heard so many of my peers in the magazine industry bemoan the death of print and worry about their futures. The fact is, we’re living in an age of unprecedented expansion in the tools we have to do our jobs, and the territory we can expand into. In fact, too many media people are like citizens of St. Louis in the early 1800s, looking west, and complaining about the Indians out there. What they should be doing is looking for California.

SH: What is the future of MH? Its ink on paper future and its digital future!

DZ: (Take One) We have to remain poised to expand into any media that we haven’t yet conquered. That means a greater TV presence, perhaps, as well-being ready to move on whatever new technologies arise. we’ve conquered apps for both the iPhone and iPad; what’s next?

(Take Two) About five years ago, we ceased to think about ink-on-paper vs. digital vs. whatever else is coming down the pike. Instead, it’s print and digital and smartphones and TV and radio and books and any other thing the communications geniuses dream up. Media will change and evolve in exciting ways, and our message will work on all of them. Our guys need help, and want to lead better lives. We’ll find them wherever they are, and lead them to the promised land. And by doing that, we’ll reach the promised land.

SH: Thank you.

The picture above is from the min event with David Zinczenko accepting The Most Notable Launch of the Last 25 Years. Photo by Doug Goodman Photography http://www.douggoodman.com

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The Doctor Is In(teractive)… Bonnier’s Tom James on the Future, Magazines, Tablets and the Good Old Desktop Computer. The Mr. Magazine™ Interview

November 21, 2010

With the growing popularity of electronic tablets like the iPad, it seems that every publisher is doubling down on the future of publishing based on the “apps on a tablet” hand of cards. Publishers are rushing to get their own mag-apps on the market (if they don’t already have one) so as not to get left behind in this latest “as in today’s” digital revolution (no time for even calling it a trend, since tomorrow may bring another revolution). Of course, it’s all too easy to forget that consumers have been using digital content for years from their own desktop or laptop computers, not to mention those who haven’t yet jumped on the e-reader bandwagon.

Bonnier’s Skiing
debuted Skiing Interactive this month, a fully interactive, Flash-based web publication which provides viewers with a unique and personalized reading experience. Using colorful infographics, geo-targeted mapping, videos and engaging articles readers can personalize to their wants and needs, skiing enthusiasts now have a brand-new way of hitting the slopes from the comfort of their own computer.

Creating the right content for the right medium is the philosophy of Tom James, who has been with Bonnier Corporation (formerly World Publications) since 1986 and is now editorial director for Bonnier’s Enthusiast Group. Last week I had the chance to converse with Mr. James, via the old reliable land line phone, regarding how magazines can move away from making digital replicas of their print titles and move toward creating compelling digital experiences.

To say Tom James is optimistic about the future of content delivery will be an understatement. He sees the publishing cup 90% full. Mr. James offers the industry a simple, yet very effective prescription to its problems. “Break out of the issue concept and the print paradigm and then everything becomes in place,” he says. As I have said time and time again, as long as we are thinking replicas (no matter how many plus plus plus you are willing to add) we are not innovating. We have to break the mold and think innovation rather than renovation.

The idea of engaging Mr. James in a conversation about the future of our industry germinated last summer when I met him in Denver, Colorado at the Association for Journalism and Mass Communications’ summer convention. He showed the magazine division of the association a preview of what Bonnier introduced this month: Skiing Interactive, an interactive publication that is not a replica for anything they have in print. After the launch of Skiing Interactive I felt it was necessary to check back with the interactivity doctor at Bonnier to try to understand, first hand, what are his innovation plans and where the future of publishing is taking us.

What follows, is the full, lightly edited, Mr. Magazine™ Interview with Tom James:

Samir Husni: What is Skiing Interactive?

Tom James: It’s our first launch into what I think is a new style of delivering content, really. The fact that we did it with skiing, it’s one of our titles and one of many that we’re considering to do it with, the style of delivering content which is more appropriate for the digital desktop format than what has previously been done for digital desktop magazines.

It’s really about all the digital magazines in the last two years, certainly the last year have been focused on the iPad and the apps and the way their app works. I’m more focused about the way the content is consumed by the consumer, the way the ads relate to the reader and the frequency. It’s a totally different strategy than, “Oh, can we make a cool app?” We’ve shown we can make a cool iPad app. I think our Mag Plus app is one of the most innovative iPad apps out there, but I still don’t think that’s the only thing that can be done with digital magazines.

SH: If we consider ourselves the most creative people in this industry, why can’t we think outside the focus of developing replicas of printed magazines? We have a new medium out there. Why can’t we just create a message for that specific medium, rather than creating a replica?

TJ: That’s my philosophy exactly. But you can’t deny everyone (who is) swept up in the romanticism of having something for the iPad. It was kind of heralded as a savior for the magazine industry and I just don’t think the magazine industry is that broke. We still know how to make great content that connects with the user. We just have to make the right content for the right medium. That’s not that tricky.

SH: You’re now the black sheep who’s doing that. You’re not following the masses. Steve Jobs has not lit a candle for you.

TJ: I consume a lot of magazines on the iPad, probably just like you do. It’s easy to carry them around that way. But, you can’t deny there’s a billion desktops and laptops in circulation being used right now as compared to under 10 million tablets, and we as publishers can get our content onto that medium in a better way. We can’t abandon that. We can’t just let our website be the way that we reach people through the desktop and laptop. I want to give them slices of content in a finite, digestible form that is pushed to them rather than a website (where) the user actively searches for what he’s looking for.

SH: How are you going to be able to take what I call our “welfare information society” we’ve created in the last 10 years, and find a way to charge and make money?

TJ: First off, I believe that we will make money from ads because we’re putting a huge focus on making the ads just as engaging and entertaining and as on target as the editorial content. A lot of our focus has been making our ads exceptional.

As a media person, I’m kind of embarrassed that the only media form where the ads are as important as the content is the Super Bowl. That’s one little thing that the ads are important on and I think we can make the ads just as important in our digital push of content. So, I think that by making better ads, we have a better business model, but I really don’t have the answer to that subscription problem. There’s a lot of really smart people working on that and it’s kind of a conundrum. People don’t seem to want to pay for digital products. I think over time they will, but I don’t know when or how we’re going to reach that tipping point.

SH: Tell me how you will respond to those who will say, “Now you are mixing church and state.” Is it our job as media folks to create better ads?

TJ: It’s certainly not mixing church and state. We are very definitive and emphatic about which screens are advertising and which screens are editorial. What we’ve done is we’ve created a new engaging form of media that tells stories in interactive, lean-forward ways. We think our advertisers should do the same. Now, because we created this form of media, we’re helping our advertisers learn how to create ads for that form of media.

We are sort of seeding the ideas at first. Like, “Hey, you can do a ‘Which ski suits me best’, a personalized interactive ad, versus just a pitch of a message.“ We’re just helping them learn that this is possible now. If you invented a billboard and no one had ever seen a billboard, you’d also have to create the first billboard ad, wouldn’t you? No one would know that format of advertising. That’s kind of the era we’re in right now. I think that advertisers will quickly catch on, and this is by no means merging “church and state.”

SH: When I buy a magazine, I’m buying it for the ads and the articles. I don’t like separating the two.

TJ: You’ve been an editor, and as an editor, I’m always embarrassed when the advertisements aren’t as on target or as good as my content. I feel like it’s wasting or interrupting my reader’s time. The time that the reader is in my world, so to speak, I feel responsible and I don’t want to insult him or her with crummy ads, just like I don’t want to insult him or her with crummy editorial.

SH: As a visionary in this field, where do you think we went wrong in this business? Were we swept away because the newspaper industry is hurting and they took all of print together? Or were we so in love and romanced with the iPad?

TJ: I don’t know if we went wrong yet. It was so good for a while that we considering this more challenging era problematic. I think there’s areas we’re going wrong. I think as content producers we have to get out of the mindset that content should be delivered to consumers when we want to deliver it. I think we should deliver it more or less when they want to get it, which might be every day, for all I know. It might be every half-hour. I think that’s an area where we’re going wrong, but I think being stuck in a print-centric mindset where it’s a monthly frequency and the editorial’s great and the ads suck, I think that’s an area we’re going wrong.

I just think it’s relative. You know how good the magazine industry was for a long, long time and I think that now we’re challenged a little more; there’s people who are doomsayers about it, but it’s just a little more challenging now.

SH: You’re the doctor. What’s the prescription? How do we face this challenge now?

TJ: I think it’s pretty simple, which is remarkable to say. You’ve got these different mediums. You have to deliver the right type of content for each medium. For example, on television, if we’re going to have apps that reside on your television, we should stream video to those apps. If we’re going to do the things we’re doing on desktops and laptops, I believe interactive infographics are the best. I think in print: good long reads, long-form journalism might be great, and great photos. I think from a content perspective, making sure you don’t force the wrong kind of content onto certain mediums.

From an advertising prospective, I think it’s working with your advertisers to do the same. When you look at the ads that are in the magazine apps in the iPad, they don’t touch the potential that they could have. They’re still pitches. I think once we get our content right for the medium and then help our marketers get their ads right for the mediums, we’ll be in a fine place. Does that work as a prescription?

SH: It sounds like a good start. Like you said, it’s such a simple prescription. Why aren’t we following it?

TJ: Because we do print so well. It’s hard to get out of that mindset. Editors are in love with the great read and their contacts are really great at creating great reads, all our contributors. So, the people we know create print media. So, we try to force those people’s skills and our skills into the other mediums which I don’t think works.

Other than maybe the New York Times, who has a great infographic department, we’re still very word-centric and that’s not the right form of content for the different mediums. We’re probably going to see some kind of Renaissance in the types of people that we’re hiring. People who know how to work with data better, who are more interested in information management than words and words telling a great story. That’s what I believe. I believe it’s a form of our context and our knowledge base.

SH: If someone said, “OK, Tom. Here is your crystal ball. What’s the future of print?”

TJ: Are you talking next three years, next 10 years, or the next 50 years? To me, print has a great future for our business until it become psychologically unsustainable. I don’t know if the world is always going to want to be cutting down trees and driving boxes of magazines around the country or world. But other than that, people love having a print product on their coffee table and I think that’s good news for us.

SH: What’s the future of the Internet? Is the Internet dead?

TJ: The future of the Internet? If I could answer that question, I would be in the penthouse of this hotel (where he was staying when we spoke via the phone). I don’t know. Delivering great content that’s easily accessible, whenever the user wants it, and helping our marketers reach those users with equally great content.

SH: It seems to me you’re betting more on the desktops and on the laptops than you’re betting on the tablets, for now.

TJ: For now, I go with the numbers. You know what, there’s not an iPad owner who doesn’t have a desktop and laptop, or very few. I love the tablets; I think they’re going to be a great supplement to how we consume media, but I believe this, and I hate to say this, but I believe people consume a lot of media at work while they’re screwing around between spreadsheets or whatever and that doesn’t just have to be Facebook. It can be our magazine content or our company’s content and it’ll be on the computer they’re using at work, which is probably a desktop or laptop. Desktops and laptops, those are dirty words. Those are great ways to consume content.

SH: You’re one of the few folks that I’ve spoken to who is really talking about the need to educate the advertiser. If we are going to make money, you can’t just tell them to do it by themselves, and you’re getting out of that replica world that everybody is talking about.

TJ: Skiing Interactive, for one, doesn’t relate to the Skiing print product in any way other than to DNA, perhaps, but not in the content. The content that we do in print is not as dynamic as the content we do in Skiing Interactive for the desktop and laptop. I’m really interested in helping and bringing the advertisers along with us. I don’t know if they are aware of everything the magazine industry is trying to do, and if we create something great, we have to help them create something great along aside it.

SH: One of the reasons I created the Magazine Innovation Center is to help amplify the future of print, because I feel like we use print so much to amplify the future of technology and digital and the web. Do you think it’s a lost cause? Can we use digital to amplify the future of the printed Skiing Magazine? Or is that necessary?

TJ: I think we can really help keep the brand in front of users with the digital product and then I do believe, especially in enthusiast products, whether you’re a cook or a snow skier, you like that product lying around your coffee table, so that when someone comes to visit you, it says, “Look, I’m into food” or “I’m into skiing.” So, I think that by keeping the brand important, which is in front of people everyday in their digital lifestyles and their digital habits that will create a continuing existence for a great print product.

Now, I’ve read on your site, “Is the future of magazines the book-a-zines?” and that might be. Maybe as we increase frequency digitally, we will decrease frequency and quality on the print product. The important thing is the brand is still going to be strong.

SH: Some companies are starting to think about the web and its interactivity as a good source of subscription models and direct marketing. Do you see that as a legitimate part of the deal?

TJ: I think that ultimately subscriptions might come as a package where you get a few print products, you get access to enhanced versions of the website and you get this pushed interactive product delivered to you on a regular basis. And getting back to one of your original questions, that might be how you monetize the subscription side of it, by packaging it into a multimedia, cross-platform situation where you just get everything that the brand offers for a certain price. I hope and want there to be print in that mix. But I know that there is going to be digital in that mix.

SH: What about the reader? The more mass and general the magazine is, the less specific the knowledge about the readers. How important is it for our future to go back to the old premise of knowing your audience?

TJ: That’s probably never going to change; as far as the primary importance and what the Internet era has created, more fractionalized and specific audiences. Then it’s even more important to know your audience. If I’m a skier in Colorado, I might be different than a skier in New Hampshire, and we probably are going to need to address those specific subsets. For those big generalized magazines, I don’t know how they’re going to do it. If People magazine wants to cover everything from music celebrities to soap opera celebrities, I’m not sure how they’ll do that. I like to deal with enthusiasts and people who are very passionate about specific things, and I think our company has always addressed, as our slogan says, “Connecting people with their passions.” General interest stuff, I don’t really know.

SH: What are some of the steps to fill the prescription you mentioned earlier?

TJ: I think it’s the same stuff we’ve talked about before; making sure that you don’t force one medium’s content inappropriately onto another medium, making sure that you pay attention to helping your marketers create equally engaging content across the mediums you are entering in. I think if your product is on target with the audience, appropriate for the medium, advertising is equally that way, and then your frequency is such that it’s available when the user more or less wants it, I think those would be the steps. The No. 1 step: break out of the issue concept and the print paradigm and then everything becomes in place, so to speak.

SH: What’s your next big project?

TJ: I’m just working on helping our company forge its way into the new media landscape. I wish I were in total control of my destiny. I want to work with all the groups that are working with, making media work for the future. I know we make great content; we just have to reach the people with it and in the correct way.

SH: Do you see the cup half full, half empty, three-quarters full?

TJ: I think the cup is 90 percent full. I think we learned a lot about efficiency in this era and we have an unbelievable amount of opportunities, and that’s a pretty good formula for being profitable.

SH: That’s great. You are the first person ever who goes above the 50 percent mark. I love it.

TJ: That feels pretty good. Why would anyone be in this industry if we thought it didn’t have a good future? It’s like people living in Detroit. They say, “Look, Detroit’s dying. I’m moving.” I think if you’re going to stay in this industry, you gotta make it work, and I think we can make it work.

SH: Thank you.