Interviewing Bo Sacks is unlike any other interview I have conducted over the years. Bo is more than a friend and colleague. He is a formidable magazine consultant whom, he and I, have shared many stages together debating the future of the magazine industry. He draws on years of work in the industry, and I draw on years of studying and teaching the magazine industry inside and out.

Debating Bo was always fun and sharing the same stage with him was even more fun. That brings me to my first ever interview with him for my blog which reminded me of all the fun we had and still have serving this industry in every capacity we can.
His energy and dedication are evident in every answer he gave me. We talked future, and Bo is a master in that field; we talked AI, and without any doubts Bo has his take on AI and what technology can and can’t do to us and for us.
Bo just downsized his house that he shares with his wife Carol and hundreds of wine bottles and is still in the process of finalizing the move and adapting to the one-story home with no wine cellar.

We talked about the origin of “Heard on the Web,” the oldest e-newsletter since 1993; the story of its birth, its future and the role of what Bo refers to as “appointment journalism.” A very engaging interview to say the least, and for those of us who know Bo and Samir, I promise you that you will get a kick out of this interview and you will learn more than a thing or two about the man who changed from Bob Sacks to Bo Sacks.
So with any further ado, please enjoy my conversation with Bo Sacks, a man that needs no introduction to the magazine media folks here and beyond:
Samir Husni: My first question to you, what’s in it for you? Why do you do what you do?
Bo Sacks: The easy answer is, it’s payback. I’ve been mentored by some of the greatest production people of my previous generations. They were good to me, they taught me, they mentored me, and this is how I give back to the industry.
It was good to me, and I aim to continue to orchestrate, educate, have some fun occasionally, but it’s personal. I want to help the industry.
Samir Husni: Is there such a thing as production these days like it used to be when you were growing up in the magazine industry?
Bo Sacks: You know, I haven’t been press-side in the past five years.
I know that production is radically different and I’m toying with the idea or grappling with the idea that the skill set that I once had, of which I consider myself a master at, would probably not be applicable. I don’t know that I would, if I was 23 and had the skill set of my old self, I don’t know that I would be hirable. Why? Mostly because I don’t know the inner workings anymore.
I’m now a 40,000-foot guy in the industry. I don’t know exactly how to put a magazine to bed. I once knew it intimately.
Now I’m not so sure. I’m pretty sure that the production responsibilities are spread out through various departments and probably not one single source. But I don’t know that for a fact.
I can only surmise what’s going on.
Samir Husni: You’ve written a lot about AI and what AI is doing in the magazine industry. How do you view AI? A friend, a foe, neutral? Bo Sacks: Damocles sword is a two-sided sword.
It is both wonderful and amazing and horribly, the potential for horrible things is there as well as for positive things. How we orchestrate it remains to be seen. Publishers do not have a good history of adapting to new technology.
In fact, they’re terrible at it. But I see both sides. The funny thing is in, I think it was 2003, I was interviewed by Printing News, and I invented at the time the concept of a personal concierge, an electronic concierge, which I called e-me at the time in 2003.
What I was suggesting then is what we have now with Facebook’s Muse. They’re trying to recreate what I said in 2003, a personal concierge, where my concierge will call Samir’s concierge and set a date for us. We won’t be involved.
My concierge will talk to the doctor and make an appointment for me. I won’t be involved. You will probably remember to send my mother a birthday card.
It will probably facilitate bill paying. All this is what Muse is trying to do now. And I see that as both positive and negative for this to work.
It must know everything about you. This electronic me. Which means it must know about your mistress, your gambling, your food vulnerabilities.
It must know everything to be an adequate player. So, there’s danger in that.
Samir Husni: Do you think we’ve come a long way backwards or we’ve come a long way forward with AI or as the president likes to call it the Super Intelligence?
Bo Sacks: Well, I don’t know what you mean by going backwards.
To answer your question without knowing your full meaning. No, it’s this all-forward momentum. It can be good for the publishing industry.
I believe that heartily. It can also be negative for the publishing industry that we now have newspapers using it. Newspapers are creating articles, giving them human names, fake human names and projecting them as written by humans. That’s not good.
We need honesty. I use AI every day and I tell anybody who wants to know I’m dyslexic. I can’t spell. Grammar is not my friend. AI facilitates correcting my writing. I used to use my wife for that purpose because she was a copy editor.
I would write stuff. She would keep my voice, but correct the spelling, correct the grammar and do all the things a good editor would do. Now I have AI Carol who does the same functionality for me.
For me, it’s very positive.
Samir Husni: Didn’t we do that? I recall back in the 80s and 90s where we had a lot of movie posters with fake reviews on the posters and fake names. So that fakeness is not something new in our industry, is it?
Bo Sacks: There’s almost nothing new in this world.
Plagiarism is not new. Lying is not new. Manipulating databases is not new. None of this is new, but we’ve accelerated the possibilities. We’ve gone beyond human capacity. I think for us to understand what’s going on, we don’t have the capacity yet.
Maybe we will. Maybe we won’t. We don’t have the capacity to understand what this technology is doing to us and for us.
And what does it mean in the future? Will people read less? Because that’s the next thing that I’m worried about. Some of the data is that readership is down in books. And that concerns me.
But the flip side of that is thousands, millions of people read audiobooks, listen to audiobooks, podcasts. We still have methodologies to educate in more ways than we used to have. But I think the loss of tangible reading is a detriment to the development of a cohesive brain.
Samir Husni: Well, and this year so far, I’ve seen quite a few youth magazines, big, thick magazines coming for the young folks. I’ve seen a huge explosion in collecting Pokémon cards. You go to like places like Target or Walmart, and the lines are to the end of the street where people do buy tangible collector’s card. Why do you think that is taking place?
Bo Sacks: Well, let me stop you right there, because you’ve made a key word, collectible cards. That’s not the same thing as reading for education, reading for fun. It’s a completely different concept.
Collectability is about potential profit. Reading is about self-education.
Samir Husni: When I interviewed the CEO of Highlights for Children, he told me last year was the first year since COVID that they’ve seen a double-digit increase in their sales and their books and magazines.
You think there’s hope or you are giving up on hope for the future? Bo Sacks: You’re asking a perennial optimist if there’s hope. And the only answer is yes. I can’t imagine holding a negative thought on the future.
It’s just not in my gene pool. So yeah, I’m hopeful. Highlights for Children, great magazine, always has been meaningful to me.
My parents got it for me when I was four or five. And the joy of getting a magazine through the mail with my name on it was thrilling. In fact, the first time I saw my name in a masthead was equally thrilling.
There’s a certain permanence to finding your name printed on anything.
Samir Husni: One of the things that you and I have talked a lot about is the future of the magazine industry. And I used to always say there’s three people who can tell you the future, God, a fool, and Bo Sacks. So, tell me, what do you consider your most successful prediction and your least successful prediction?

Bo Sacks: I’ve been in the prediction market a long time. I do think what I mentioned earlier about my personal concierge 20 years ago, because the first time I wrote about it was 2000.
I wrote a Bo Sacks Speaks Out about it. And then again, I was interviewed in 2003. And we have it now. So, 20 years later, we have what I predicted in a personal concierge.
My least meaningful prediction, honestly, nothing comes to mind. I’m sure I made some boners. But I don’t know what they are at this moment. Everybody makes mistakes. I’m sure I did, too. I have been in the prophecy game a long time. Must have got a bunch of it wrong.
Samir Husni: In the span of this half century plus that you’ve been in this business, what do you consider is a moment that brought you the most inner satisfaction?
Bo Sacks: I think the momentous moment in my career, and for me and for my development was working for Ziff Davis when they put me on a team.
I wasn’t alone to figure out how to put diskettes into magazines, almost every magazine in the country. I didn’t know who AOL was. But I was sophisticated in binding and manufacturing.
And so, we figured it out as a team. They gave me a free house account, a whitelisted free house account. I was a publisher since 72.
We’re now talking about the 80s. Sending words over the phone blew my mind and intrigued me way back with the Hayes modem days. I sent an email to my college roommate who worked in the impact center at Time Inc.
That was the genesis of my newsletter. Had AOL not given me a free account, or if I did not have the experience of working with AOL to make those disks available, I think my career would have been completely different. There would be no newsletter today, if not for that fortuitous moment.
Samir Husni: If there’s anywhere somebody outside, they don’t know the origin of Bo Sacks newsletter. how did your name change from Bob to Bo?

Bo Sacks: There is a story. Well, first, there’s two stories or connected stories.
The first was at High Times magazine. I used to wear an Army Air Corps hat and a leather jacket with the fleece lining. And they called me Captain Bo.
I was in this centerfold of High Times magazine on our fifth anniversary issue. And in the centerfold, I was in the cockpit of a plane as Captain Bo. Then later, again, back to AOL, they would only let you have six or seven letters as your pen name.
Now it’s different. But then so I couldn’t do BobSacks at AOL.com. I had to be creative. And since I was already called Bo, I came up with Bo Sacks.
That unknowingly invented my brand. I didn’t intend to make a brand, but that’s what happened.
Samir Husni: You are dedicated to sending the newsletter, three emails every single day, except holidays and weekends. Why is that? Why the devotion of sending it out every day?
Bo Sacks: I can only say that I consider it a huge responsibility. I feel responsible to my readers. And you’re right about it going around the world at the same time.
And that’s something I call appointment journalism, which lots of other newsletters should pick up on. Mine always goes out at the exact same time, no matter where I am on the planet. Now it goes out at 12:05 am only because pre-automated email services, I stayed up every night till 12:05 am so that the email would have the current date when the receiver gets it.
Now I don’t need to do that anymore. I could automate it. But since I’ve trained the planet on when to expect it, I hold to that system.
Samir Husni: Are you getting any younger readership or all your readership is from our generation?
Bo Sacks: I don’t know exactly, but I think I get four or five new readers every day. I lose a few and I’ve culled my list as often as I can. I’m not sending dead weight.
But I’m down to about 12,000, give or take. And since there are new readers every day, I assume they’re on the younger bandwidth than older readers. Although I still have some readers I’ve had for 30 years.
You know, I’m thrilled that they’re still on the planet and triple thrilled that they still read me every day.
Samir Husni: Talking about the future, and God forbids, if something happens to you, what’s the future of the newsletter?
Bo Sacks: The newsletter? Yeah. I thought about that a lot. I think it dies with me. There’s so much of my personality embedded in the newsletter that I don’t think that can be repeated by anybody else. I’m happy to give someone a shot at it.
When I go, the newsletter goes with me. And that would be a great loss, he humbly says, to the industry. Because I provide an educational platform for early management, middle management, senior management.
I’m providing a service to the industry. And all the feedback says that my reaction is accurate.
Samir Husni: Have you ever had any problem with any entity telling you, you can’t send my article, you can’t do this? Or they’re happy that you are sending them?
Bo Sacks: The New York Times is one.
Just a few years ago, they had a lawyer call me up and said don’t do that. So, I don’t do that. Will read a New York Times article and then write an essay about what I have read, but not repeating The New York Times.
Adweek asked me not to. There was a publisher who asked me not to. This is five or 10 years ago.
He said, please don’t take our work. I said, fine. He lost his job.
His replacement called me up and said, how come you don’t take our stuff? It’s fun out there. Mostly people want the extra exposure. The authors want the extra exposure.
Most of the publications want the extra exposure. And those that don’t, I abide completely. I will not send it out if they don’t want me to.
Samir Husni: And what is Bo reading these days? What magazines do you get on your coffee table?
Bo Sacks: Let me answer that this way. Because of whom I am and what I do, I get dozens and dozens of magazines delivered to me free of charge, which I donate to the hospitals. Cannot read them all, but I like The Week. I like The Week a lot.

Samir Husni: We were talking off the record, and you mentioned that some magazines have now thousands of journalists contributing to their websites and other platforms. Do you call them journalists?
Bo Sacks: That’s a great question.
Let’s call them wannabe journalists. Some are and some aren’t. We can’t put them all in a single pool.
Some of them are all self-promotional. And some of the self-promotional articles are pretty good. Some aren’t. And most are biased to one way or another. But most writing carries with it an embedded bias.
Samir Husni: Do you agree with the statement, when I was in journalism school, I was told that when a journalist gives his or her opinion, he or she is no longer a journalist. Do you agree with that statement?
Bo Sacks: So, you’re distinguishing between a columnist and a journalist?
Samir Husni: Yep.
Bo Sacks: It’s dicey.
I don’t think we can extract from good journalism an opinion. They must report what they see. Factually.
Then if they introduce some personal observations about the facts they just reported, I don’t have a problem with that.
Samir Husni: Before I ask you my last typical questions, is there any question I failed to ask Bo that I should ask him?
Bo Sacks: Probably a hundred.
I do want to bring up a topic you didn’t ask. I think about it a lot. When you and I first got into this industry, I think every single magazine had a very similar business model.
Whether you were Time Inc or High Times or Stitching & Quilting, you all had a very similar business model. Today, I don’t know what your current count is of how many magazines there are. I know 20 years ago, it was 7,000.
I don’t know what it is today, but I would put forth the proposition that every single one of those has a different business model. No two alike. There may be some similarities, but no two alike.
That’s a fascinating evolution. What does that mean to the future? There’ll be many, many more business plans as new technologies come out, as the skillset for those who are in publishing morph and change. The business plans will morph and change too.
And then early on, we discussed what our skillsets were. And as I made a case half an hour ago, I don’t think they need my skillset today, my nuts and bolts, understanding ink and water balance and blankets. I don’t think any of that is necessary.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think it’s necessary. And maybe not even an asset to be employable these days. Of this, I do not know, but I surmise that what I know is no longer fully necessary as a production person.
Samir Husni: Just a side question. Town & Country just celebrated 180 years of publishing. Scientific American celebrated last year 180 years of continuous publishing. What do you think give magazines like that the vitality to stay in business for 180 continuous years in this digital age?
Bo Sacks: Recognition of who they were, recognition of who they are, and a catering to the readership that wants what they can produce. Those two magazines are very specific and they’re catering to a readership that understands who they are and offers that readership the information that they, I would say, demand, not desire, but demand. If you can achieve that goal with any magazine, you’re in pretty good shape.
Samir Husni: Well, now for my typical last two questions. If I come to visit Bo one evening in his new small house, what do I catch him doing? Having a glass of wine, typing on his laptop, reading a book. Bo Sacks: So in my old house, I had about 600 or 700 bottles of wine in my wine cellar.
In my new house, I’ve pared it down to maybe 100 bottles, which are squirreled all over the house because I don’t have room for a wine cellar.
Samir Husni: Did you drink the other 500?
Bo Sacks: I gave one third to my daughter, one third to my son, and I’ve distributed among friends the rest. There’re probably still 50 bottles left in the house, which I’ll do something with.
But yeah, I’m still a wine drinker. I’m a bourbon drinker. And I would sit down with you, and we would sip on bourbon and solve the industry’s needs. Which is one day we should get together and do that, Samir.
Samir Husni: What keeps Bo up at night these days?
Bo Sacks: Well, here’s the secret.
I don’t worry about anything. I have never fretted or worried about anything. I have a unique skill set where I believe whatever obstacles I’m facing, there’s a way around it.
I always know that there’s a solution. It may not be readily available, but I believe in my heart, personal or professional, there’s always a solution. So, to answer your question, I don’t fret about anything.
Samir Husni: Thank and all the best on the move.
And in typical Bo’s style, here is the picture of the day…

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